Every month I mention the newest issue of Kung Fu Breakfast for two reasons: 1) It often includes my own writing, and I’m passive-aggressive when it comes to self-promotion. 2) Even if I wasn’t involved I would read it, because the roster of talent surrounding me is staggering. I sent a few questions over to Jay Kantor, Editor in Chief of Kung Fu Breakfast, and he rewarded me with an extensive history of the publication as well as his philosophies regarding art and creative communities. I usually think the only thing “epic” in this world is the epic overuse of the word epic, but god damn does this interview earn that word. Read on for Los Angeles theater suggestions, an exploration of linear time, and the vicious defense of Yoko Ono:
Mister Growl: Do you remember the moment you seriously considered starting Kung Fu Breakfast?
Jay: That is a little bit of a story, which I actually document in the intro to the first KFB (Issue #1: Time Indefinite, available on zero newsstands but all internets) but for the Mister Growl audience I can even go further back. In January of 2012 I was at one of my favorite eateries in the Greater Los Angeles area: DogHaus in Pasadena (Did you know that when LA was becoming incorporated, they extended the offer to Pasadena to be a part of the city of Los Angeles and Pasadena basically told them to fuck off?) with my good friend and photographer Hiroshi Clark (a friendship that is a story in and of itself). We were both lamenting our struggles in the art world (mostly our own inability to put our work out there enough in an already over-saturated market) while enjoying some delicious burgers on DogHaus’ Hawaiian bread buns (I better get some free burgers out of this). Hiroshi started talking to me about this photo zine that he, Josh Schaedel, and Mike Lopez were working on called Sorry Danny (www.sorrydanny.com). Hiroshi mentioned that the three of them were teaching themselves InDesign, which allowed them to put it together DIY but still have the option of looking as clean as they wanted it. This conversation inspired me to work on my own zine, but I wanted it to be writing-based as I’ve always had a great love for poetry and short stories going back to my days in High School in Western Massachusetts as part of The Creative Writing Club. Our club’s faculty advisor, Gary Metras, was very hands on, giving us regular writing prompts and helping to publish our literary magazine (Turtle) from his own publishing company, Adastra Press. Around that time I had just started working with my partner Katie Brillhart, on putting together art shows as part of our collective Hi8. We have since put on two shows and we are working on our third and fourth, so I really thought that having a partner would be the key to any problem. I still do think that a support system is integral but working with Katie has been so easy that I really thought this was what all such partnerships are like. But that’s like marrying your high school sweetheart and assuming that anyone you date is going to be true love. One evening at a get-together I was talking with another Katie, Katie DeVriese (aka Toby Skulls) about this thought and her reaction was just like “Let’s do it.” Within a few weeks Toby and I started brainstorming zine names while on our way to a Crocodiles show at The Echo. Crocodiles have probably been one of my bigger inspirations creatively, maybe only second to Joy Division.
Anyway, Toby and I were still getting to know each other and I asked her what her favorite meal is. The answer, of course, was Breakfast. For absolutely no reason, I then asked her how she felt about Kung Fu. The next few words out of her mouth would hit me in the face harder than a bukkake film: “Kung Fu For Breakfast.” Fuuuuuuck! In my mind it was decided. I started running around telling all of my friends that Toby and I were doing this creative writing zine called Kung Fu Breakfast (I lost the “for” quicker than a Catholic alter boy loses his virginity). Unfortunately my dreams were about to be quelled when Toby and I next met. She told me she was not crazy about the title and wanted to do something more serious, and you know understandably so. I started my film career making comedic work (go on Youtube and check out my student film So You’ve Decided You Want To Become A Goth) and I wound up going in a much more serious direction with my career, though I just find Kung Fu Breakfast whimsical. If you open any issue you’ll see that we have a lot of serious fucking shit but with a smile. We eventually came up this idea for The Invisible Factory. The Invisible Factory is this great concept about a factory in a generic small Northeastern town that makes invisible things and it’s invisible. This was a concept we came up with together but I was inspired by all of the abandoned factories around my home area of Southampton, Massachusetts that really demolished the economies of entire areas around the Northeast. So we had a great concept and we were recruiting some really excellent writers and even started working on adding illustrators. Plus we had really great timing because we were able to promote the first issue at Hi8’s first show, The Selflessness of Space. Then we got to the second issue and I think that’s where things started to fall apart. I don’t think Toby and I had the same vision for things. There were a few problems and some were clearly mine, some were clearly hers, and others it’s just hard to say what went down, though I will say it was never anything personal, just creative things. I felt like I wanted Toby and I to have this real split of artists that we were both bringing in but I have a tendency to forget the dearth of artists that I’ve interacted with over the years and my own ability to really drill people that don’t claim to be artists and find out what their creative passions are. That’s actually a big philosophy I have with Kung Fu Breakfast, is that as human beings we are all some kind of artisans. Look at your neighbor take care of a lawn or garden or just the way your co-worker dresses or doodles. Sometimes the work is more tangible and something that can be put in a publication and other times it isn’t, but art is expression and I want to spend all day just encouraging people to express themselves. I’ve also found out so many of my friends secretly paint or write poetry just by prodding them. And the plethora of people that don’t think they are any good is astounding, even people that are trying to be artists professionally. So I would encourage Toby to recruit her friends and colleagues but they just weren’t there, and that’s no criticism on her, but when you’re trying to put together a roster of artists for a regular publication you have to use your resources. At a certain point she was encouraging people that I had introduced her to and that’s great but it is frustrating when you feel like it’s just your own network that’s getting utilized. The other problem is that I was going through some very difficult personal shit on my own at the time. I was seeing a girl that had a boyfriend. I know that’s a shitty thing to say and I justified it one way or another because she would talk about how big a piece of shit he was and how unhappy she was but that she needed to stay with him for X, Y, and Z. Eventually it seemed like they were going to break up and they didn’t so I told her I needed to take a break away from her and it was just messy. I didn’t tell Toby any of this because I didn’t want to burden her with my problems. But this, mixed with the fact that we didn’t have a regular schedule for our releases, caused the second issue not to come out for about two months. And this was really the issue that put Toby in the spotlight. I’m not sure if that was hurtful to her but I can certainly say if I was on the other side of things that would hurt me. Finally the issue came out and I wanted to talk to Toby about maybe having things go monthly and on a more regular schedule with specific deadlines and she said she just wasn’t sure she wanted to continue. She said that she thought we wanted different things creatively and that was true as I brought up previously. But I also felt like The Invisible Factory was more like this classy literary magazine and I wanted this punk-rock, DIY, art zine. The difficult thing was that I don’t think Toby and I have that relationship. When Katie and I want different things for our art shows we fight it out and usually realize that we both sort of wanted the same things all along. Toby and I have this more quiet WASPY kind of relationship, and it probably didn’t help that I was going through a sort of break up at the time. But, there were no hard feelings and Toby and I are still friends. I keep trying to get her to contribute to KFB as she is a wonderful writer I’m not sure we are at that place where she wants that kind of a relationship again, which is understandable. I was ready to get Kung Fu Breakfast launched right away though. The Invisible Factory shut its proverbial doors in September and by October I published the first issue of KFB.
Mister Growl: You work several jobs, in addition to editing and curating KFB's material. How much time goes into each issue?
Jay: Man, that is a great question but a difficult one to answer. As far as linear time spent on an issue (I don’t believe linear is more than a human perception by the way), I would say I really don’t spend more than three hours a month on each one, depending on the issue. I’ve really streamlined the process. The Invisible Factory and even those first few issues of KFB took me forever because I really only had an evening crash course with InDesign from this awesome illustrator Sebastien Rossouw (www.sebillustration.com). From there I really had to teach it to myself and trouble-shoot 90% of my problems. I also used to print it myself and put together each copy (the old school zine way) until my friend/KFB Contributor/Sorry Danny founder Josh Schaedel turned me on to HP MagCloud. I don’t want to pimp MagCloud too much but for anyone seriously putting out a publication that they don’t want to invest a ton of money into printing batches of copies, MagCloud is the way to go. MagCloud is really user-friendly, but I still had to learn to use that. Before MagCloud I was trying to put the zine out through iTunes as well but they’re a bunch of fucking assholes. Here’s the thing about iTunes bookstore: You have to integrate everything into the proprietary software that they use for books. It’s just insane, and then on top of that you can’t even read the books on your laptop, it only works with e-readers and iPads. Again, I have to say it’s insane. I know a lot of musicians that have problems with iTunes but at least my understanding is that you upload your mp3 file and whenever its up anyone can download the music and whatever, ya know? Well here was my experience with the iTunes bookstore. Here I am, I have my PDF done, uploaded, and the next step is that I have to wait two to three weeks for someone in the bookstore to look it over and approve it. That’s fine, I get it, you want to make sure that things are up to certain standards and that you aren’t publishing Neo-Nazi propaganda. I waited two weeks only for my publication to get rejected. I was confused because I knew I had this PDF that looked ready to e-mail to anyone and be looked at or printed into an actual physical copy. I looked at the errors and it was all this technical jargon that made my head spin. I did some research and it felt like if I used their software to put the publication together that I might avoid my problems. I did that (took me an entire day of redoing everything), resubmitted, and STILL got back that I had errors. I called customer service to ask how I could fix these problems. I wound up talking to this very concerned, sweet girl that told me she didn’t know technical things and all she could do was try to talk to the technical people over in that department. I asked if I could possibly talk to one of the experts and she told me that they don’t talk to people. Can you imagine this in any other walk of life? Let’s keep the experts away from the clients. What a shitty business model when you already make it difficult to self-publish. I was fucking done with iTunes at that point.
I can’t thank Josh enough for showing me MagCloud. Anyway, I used to put in a lot of hours learning, but now I’d say probably three, maybe four hours a month because I have to write an intro and I almost always leave that for the last minute. But that’s just the physical part. I’m always working on KFB. I talk about it constantly because I’ve always had the most success promotionally with word-of-mouth. I like to approach our promotion as if we are a band. People hear me say its rad as shit and then they hopefully check it out or they don’t. Sometimes I like that they don’t because in five years they will remember hearing about it way back before it became hugely popular. I’m also constantly trying to recruit new artists so I’m e-mailing or talking to people about it at events. I’m also always brainstorming new themes, artists I want to solicit for featured positions, layout ideas, and a general forward direction for KFB. You have to be proactive because otherwise you miss all of these opportunities. I met this wonderful girl Bri at an Afterhours in Echo Park from my friend Ana, but we really just met in passing. We started following each other on Instagram and I saw how creative she is. So she has a link to her tumblr, I check it out and discover that she’s an amazing poet and boom, she’s writing for KFB. I love Instagram by the way. I’ve never been that active on social media. I like Facebook for certain purposes but there’s so much bullshit you have to wade through and there’s a real negative vibe on Facebook because of it. A lot of people are getting off sites like that now in favor of more niche social media like Twitter. I’m actually not great with Twitter either. If I have a thought then I want to say it out loud, not type it. It’s super useful I’m sure, but not really my thing. But Instagram is great for any artist because you can post your photography, illustrations, paintings, and I’ve even seen a lot of writers just take screenshots of poems on the Notes app and post that. Of course Instagram is filled with some bullshit like people posting memes that aren’t very funny or pictures that had no thought put into them, but I just don’t follow those people and I don’t think people take it that personally. I spend a lot of time on Instagram trying to find new artists for KFB.
Mister Growl: Your poetry, photography, and artwork has all graced the pages of KFB. How would you describe your overall aesthetic, and your approach to creating art?
Jay: I’m a minimalist and that comes out in different ways in my art. Sometimes the work itself is more minimal like a lot of the drawings I do. There are really two steps to my approach for any kind of work I’m making. The first part is the DIY nature. I love found materials and using the resources I have at my disposal. I try not to invest too much money in art making because there are so many tools everywhere, except 16mm. I have a special relationship with shooting 16mm (as does almost any experimental filmmaker) so when I have the money I will definitely spend it there. But the found materials will often dictate the kind of pieces that I’ll make. I found a piece of scrap leather from the fetish shop that I work at and was really inspired by the shape of one angle on the material. Latex is also a great material to draw on. I’m not trying to be a cheap ass but I’m an artist living in LA on a budget and this is a pricey town to live in. When I was in Ithaca $650 a month would get you a big fucking house, here you’re lucky if you get a shitty two bedroom that isn’t in an area where you’re going to get stabbed. That’s any major city though.
The second approach I take is really more of the cerebral one. The brain is very powerful so a lot of times I just think about what is a central element to what I want to make and I will spend days, weeks, months, years if need by just sort of meditating on a phrase or two. I let different parts of my brain figure it out while I go smoke a bowl. Let’s talk about drugs for a moment. Drugs are not necessary and there are a lot of them that I would never recommend, but if you’re trying to expand your mind and you’re not smoking at least the occasional bit of weed then I think you are missing out, unless you’re straightedge. I don’t agree with the straightedge lifestyle but it seems to work for a lot of people including my fucking rad roommate Antoanet. But seriously, if you drink beer and say, “Well I don’t smoke weed” then I just think you’re silly. Alcohol is a dangerous fucking drug. Alcohol is highly addictive and the social pressures to drink in our society are tremendous. There are articles that say drinkers have a much higher success rate in business interactions than non-drinkers and I completely understand why. There’s a large contingency of Ithaca graduates that live in LA (I have to believe that we are the largest group of non-LA film and television industry graduates that come out here) and these guys do so much of their networking at the bar because they drank in college together so that’s where the bond is. I’m not saying we should get rid of alcohol, I’m just saying that we need to be realistic in our society about the role that alcohol plays. Drugs of any kind can be hugely detrimental when factoring in the major mental health problems that go unaddressed here in the United States. It is significantly more socially acceptable to be wasted at a bar than it is to see a therapist. Try it, go to your job and tell them you got hammered last night. Then wait a while and tell someone you are seeing a psychologist. Figure out which one gets you dirty looks. What were we talking about? Oh right, so transformative is a word that I always have in my head. I learned pre-production from my days in film school and inside the mind can be where 90% of the work happens and then the other 10% is execution.
I think my writing is a little different. I tend to just write. I suppose I draw that way too though. I love language. Most of the time I have zero idea what I’m writing about and these phrases or narratives just pop in my head and are seemingly not connected at all. Eventually I find my way and figure out what my brain is communicating to me. When I have too much of a concept of where I’m going everything just tends to feel forced. I want all of my work to be organic.
Mister Growl: You're approaching KFB's one year anniversary. What do you have planned to celebrate?
Jay: I have a few things planned but some of it is going to be a wait and see kind of thing. Issue-wise the one year anniversary will be a tribute to The Invisible Factory. Most of our audience wasn’t around for this so I’m hoping its something that everyone will embrace since it’s very special to our origins and me personally. I also think if done right that there’s a political edge to that concept. I don’t try to push politics on our staff but I like when we get active and I think as young people it’s important to use our voices. In general I’d like KFB to regularly have a political edge. We are just about to put our Feminism issue and I’d like to do a political issue around the next major election. But other than that I think we will probably keep plugging along. I’m really happy with where we are. There isn’t an issue that we’ve put out so far that makes me cringe in any way from Issue 1 all the way through now. The only difference between then and now really is that we stopped doing two page spreads and learned to embrace color (which has a lot to do with me switching from printing it myself to using MagCloud). I’m also playing around with a few ideas including possibly doing a Yearbook highlighting all of the artists in the first year. A few people have suggested to me an art show but the problem is that our artists are from all over the world. That’s actually a funny thing because we get labeled as a Los Angeles-based zine, and we are, but we have artists that contribute from all over the United States including New York, Florida, Oregon, Washington, and even outside of the US as far as New Zealand. This isn’t to say that our LA artists wouldn’t love to do an art show but a show requires a lot of planning. I think what will happen eventually there is we will do one but until then I’ll just continue to use my incestuous relationship with Hi8 to promote KFB and KFB artists (my partner Katie Brillhart is also a KFB artist). The anniversary issue comes out in October though and I plan on doing a Jiu-Jitsu Brunch (the KFB supplemental reader) for Halloween. Halloween is a big favorite amongst the KFB staff so I think that’s going to be a rad. Personally I will probably smoke a bowl, take all of my copies of KFB, and swim through them a la Scrooge McDuck.
Mister Growl: Each monthly issue has a theme to challenge and inspire the artists. Could you give us a sneak peak at some of the upcoming themes?
Jay: Sure! We are just about to release “Yay! Vaginas! A Feminism Issue” which is easily turning into one of my favorite issues. I mentioned before that I wanted to get more political and I think this is really a major step in that direction. We previously got somewhat political in Issue #3 “Fuck Off!” and again with our first Jiu-Jitsu Brunch: 4th of July 2013. Oh, so Jiu-Jitsu Brunch is the title for our supplemental issues, which we just launched. Basically I want to keep KFB to being one issue per month, twelve issues a year, but we have these extra things come up like holidays or themes that are more geared towards recruiting specific artists rather than the whole KFB staff and I wanted to sort of have a distinction between the two. Christof Whiteman (who is a brilliant artist as his brother Sean and they both are regular contributors of mine www.whitemanbrothers.com) e-mailed me at one point and in the subject he put “Jiu-Jitsu Brunch” and I loved that play on the KFB title.
In August we will pay tribute to the most personally inspiring band for me, Joy Division in “Your Confusion, My Illusion”. This is only our second tribute issue (the first was Issue #2 “Not A Way To Make A Living: A Tribute to Kurt Vonnegut”) but it’s something I want to do on a semi-regular basis. September is “Adult Renditions of My Childhood Art”, followed by the anniversary and Halloween issues in October. November is “I’m Sensitive” and then we are going to finish out the year with the EPIC “Star Wars Christmas Redux”. I have no idea what the staff is going to do for that but I have to think that the majority of our staff are Star Wars devotees so I’m excited. I have some of the themes for next year set but I won’t let the cat out of the bag completely.
Mister Growl: If you could recruit five artists of any medium to contribute to KFB, dead or alive, who would they be?
Jay: Fuck dude, there are so many good answers to this. Honestly there are a lot of artists that I know personally that just aren’t really available to contribute so I’d say some of them but if we are sticking to sort of more well-known people then I’d say:
1. Yoko Ono – My Dad is a huge Beatles fan so I was really raised on this idea that Yoko Ono was just a weirdo that broke up one of the “greatest bands of all time”, but then I read Scott MacDonald’s Screen Writings (a collection of scripts from experimental filmmakers) that has a section on Yoko Ono’s “Mini Scripts”. These are amazing pieces of writing and really what made me rethink my perceptions of the conceptual. One of the scripts (“Film Script 3” from Six Film Scripts by Yoko Ono written in Tokyo in 1964) reads, “Ask audience to cut the part of the image on the screen that they don’t like. Supply scissors.” I’m sure I’m going to get a ton of shit but that to me is better than the entirety of Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. I don’t think the individuals of that band are given nearly enough credit. I’m not a Beatles fan with the exception of the early poppy stuff (I love “I Want To Hold Your Hand”) but George Harrison and John Lennon were both geniuses. No disrespect to Paul or Ringo who are both talented in their own rights. The Beatles to me are overrated and Yoko Ono gets labeled a weirdo. Go figure.
2. Charles Manson – Listen to “Look At Your Game Girl” and tell me that it doesn’t just hit you harder than a 2x4 to the solar plexus. Maybe I just like the social misfits of the 60’s and 70’s. It’s really too bad that Charles Manson had to turn out to be a psychopath because I could honestly listen to his music all day. “Garbage Dump” is another amazing song. Manson as an artist was also a real minimalist. What a smart guy too. To paraphrase The Dude, Manson isn’t wrong, he’s just an asshole. Probably would have fit in great on the KFB Staff.
3. Juliana Spahr – I still haven’t read her last book of poetry but this woman made me 1000% rethink the way I write poetry. When I read Fuck You-Aloha-I Love You I couldn’t write again for a while. I felt like I didn’t know how to write. That woman loves cadence the way I love language so I think we are simpatico.
4. CM Punk – Ok, so this is the moment where we talk about how I have loved Pro Wrestling since I was a kid and I still watch all of time. Watch a promo by Jake “The Snake” Roberts, Raven, or Mick Foley and tell me it’s not poetry. Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, and Bret Hart all have amazing autobiographies that are beautifully written and long. Bret Hart’s book is over 600 pages, Jericho has two books with a third on the way, Foley has four autobiographies and has since moved into fiction. There are a lot of Pro Wrestling books out here but the difference is that those guys didn’t use ghostwriters and still wrote compelling fucking shit. And this is with nobody expecting them to do anything artistic. Jerry “The King” Lawler did fantastic work with Andy Kaufman in the 70’s and he’s a highly talented illustrator. Bret Hart draws as well. That being said, I’ve never really mixed much of my love for wrestling with my art until CM Punk. For those of you who don’t know, CM Punk is a straightedge punk kid from Chicago that had constantly been told what he could and could not do in Professional Wrestling and he has defied all of those odds and kept true to the man he is. I find that very inspiring. He’s punk rock and as far as I know he doesn’t play an instrument. His promos have emotions and a strong narrative. When WWE wanted to put out one of their standard DVDs on Punk he took creative control and made the best documentary I have ever seen that company put out. I have legit watched this thing on Netflix three or four times. It’s streaming, go watch it now (I’ll wait). I would love to see his writing or who knows, maybe a painting, spoken word? We know the guy can talk. This dude is punk as fuck and making money while he does what he loves. Also, his entrance music is “Cult of Personality” by Living Colour. I mean, c’mon. Awesome.
5. Mike Mignola – I was trying to think of a visual artist that I really like and I’m sure there are a million famous painters I could have said, but fucking Mike Mignola’s artwork is hands down my favorite. Maybe that’s the comic-geek in me coming out. But definitely Mike Mignola. Mignola integrates elements of Noir, German Expressionism, Pulp Fiction, Nazi and Russian occult shit, African folklore. This man. I hope to meet Mike Mignola someday and just gush. I don’t really gush to famous people but I would gush to Mike Mignola.
Honorable Mentions: Ian Curtis, Robert Rauschenberg, Michael Snow, Hollis Frampton, Roman Cieślewicz, Sadie Benning, and Deborah Stratman.
Mister Growl: You've lived in Los Angeles for a while now but grew up on the East Coast. What's your impression of LA's music and art scenes?
Jay: I have lived here since 2007 and I’m still not sure if I totally get it. The scenes are spread out and there are a fuck-ton of people involved in all of them. I mean go to any art show in LA and you will see different artists all of the time. The music scene is even more of this multiplied by a million (or at least that’s my perception). What a great city to live in though just for absorbing art. I think I’d have to draw a diagram because you have the big museums like LACMA, MOCA, and The Getty then you have a bunch of smaller museums like The Norton Simon in Pasadena or The Getty Villa (which is free but you have to make an appointment), tons of galleries like The Museum of Jurassic Technology, The Punk Museum, La Luz de Jesus, NerdMelt in the back of Meltdown Comics, Hyaena Gallery, Rafa’s Lounge, Wonderland, those are some of my favorites but even then there are a million more just in LA itself and if you’re willing to venture out beyond town there’s a ton more. Hi8 did our first show The Selflessness of Space at a place called Museum & Crane, which our friend Caryn runs out of her beautiful house. Popup shows are springing up everywhere around town. Then there are three of four theaters that show independent films and prints of classic film. Every summer Cinespia puts on screenings at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Oh and Hollywood Forever does shows. I saw The Mountain Goats play there inside of The Masonic Lodge, which is exactly what it sounds like. I’m fascinated by the Freemasons so that was super chill. I’m telling you the music scene becomes even crazier than the art scene at times. On any given night you can see amazing bands play at bunch of different venues. Not just different venues but different kinds of venues. Backyard shows are becoming popular, there’s great concert venues, club venues, bands will play at restaurants, and then we are really lucky because KCRW always sponsors a ton of free shows throughout the year. In the last year I saw Geographer, Cults, Lord Huron, SoKo, Best Coast, and The Psychedelic Furs all for free, and those were only the shows that I went to. In the summer you could just go to free shows probably every day of the week. We didn’t have that in Massachusetts (or at least not bands of that caliber). It’s inspiring. Bunch parking is a bitch. We need way better and safer public transportation in this town.
Mister Growl: Do you have any personal projects currently in the works?
Jay: I do. I’m a hustler. I always have a few projects in the works. My mind is always on the next issue of KFB and what I’m personally going to create. I feel it’s my duty to myself to contribute to every issue because part of the reason I started doing this zine and the art shows was to promote myself as an artist. I’m working on a new experimental film series with women portraying fictional goddesses in these sort of video portraits. I’m gearing up to write Part 2 of my book The Impossible Task of Knowing. And then I’m always just sort of working on art for KFB. Oh! And I’m starting to get into editing books for other artists. I’m also starting to work with Kristin Trammell (www.beastlyoracle.com) on a few projects. I’m trying to work on my more commercial side as well. I think it’s important for a self-sustaining artist to have sellable things and I think I’ve finally found my niche. I was just thinking yesterday of setting up an Etsy shop but the problem is always time. This is part of the reason I don’t believe in linear time. If we operated in actual linear time then I think more things could probably get done in a day without our brains and bodies giving up on us.
Mister Growl: And where do you see KFB going from this point forward?
Jay: Hopefully with just more eyeballs on it. I think we have a great staff and I’m always adding to that roster. I’d like to say that eventually we will be a full-blown magazine, with offices, where all the artists can get paid a salary to just make work and put this thing out but who knows. I’d be ok if we’re doing this thing in the exact same way ten years from now but at the same time I’d also love to stop working other jobs to pay the bills and focus on Kung Fu Breakfast. The problem with that when you’re in your infancy is that you don’t want to grow to resent the thing you love when you can’t pay your rent. But the artists of Kung Fu Breakfast are highly talented so I only see this thing going upward. But it’s not always about growth. The American Dream didn’t used to be about everyone being famous or wealthy, it was a lot of wanting to be comfortable and happy. I’m perfectly ok with carving out whatever niche we can. Patton Oswalt has talked about his success on The King of Queens putting him in the position where he could just tell generic jokes and have a very successful career from that but he has always preferred to do things his way and build an audience that loves what he does because they will be more loyal and rabid to all of his work, not just the big bandwagon kind of things. Rancid have had big radio hits but they still just do what they do and how they want to do it and they have a huge audience. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. I’d also like to start putting out more publications. I’m in the process of putting together my first book of photography, which are all photos I took while in Seattle just last week. That should be out in about a month and then I have a lot of other photos that will eventually turn into a few books. I’m going to put those out under the banner of “Kung Fu Breakfast Presents.” I want to put out more books for people. I’ve spoken to a few of the KFB artists about putting together books for them. I’ve said for the past several years that I want to be successful and I want all of my friends to be successful with me. Community is very important to me. I used to play the whole game of film festivals and all of these “pay this, submit that, and hopefully you’ll get in” bullshit. I think it’s disgusting. I love festivals for the sake of showing work but there are a million film festivals and I just think their practices are gross. When I submit to a festival I genuinely think I have a legit shot at showing, and I probably fall in a very small percentage of people that are in actual competition to show. But there is a very large percentage of that submission population that never had a chance because their work isn’t really up to snuff. That doesn’t mean they don’t have hopes and dreams and they still have to pay a submission fee. And those submission fees are part of what helps the organization putting on the festival operate. Forget about the fact that the films that show at most of these festivals had some sort of a connection anyway whether it be an older established filmmaker that gets to waive the fees and just show their work or a friend of a friend. Even if it wasn’t corrupt, I don’t think competition in art is healthy. I’m more of a community guy that wants to help elevate with a support system. Competition points out weaknesses and community builds strength. That’s a big philosophy I have with Kung Fu Breakfast and no matter where we go in the future that will always be my mission statement.
Many thanks to Jay for taking the time to address these questions in full detail. If you haven’t yet read an issue of Kung Fu Breakfast you can find the issues at MagCloud here: http://www.magcloud.com/browse/magazine/491432
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